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Jun 13, 2005 16:05:02 GMT -5
Post by John Zeger on Jun 13, 2005 16:05:02 GMT -5
Where did you ever get the idea that Matt or yourself represent the point of view of average citizens here? If that isn't the height of arrogance, I don't know what is. (If you wish to respond to this post, Mr. Skrotzki, you will have to register as a member as you have used up your three posts as a guest.)
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Jun 13, 2005 17:49:29 GMT -5
Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2005 17:49:29 GMT -5
My age 28, I've lived in Ktown for 25 years. Everyone I talk to is in support of growth in kelowna and of higher buildings. Stunting healthy growth in a city which will take away jobs (and there are a lot of people in this town who rely on construction as a way of putting food on the table) is not something that many people will support unless they are old and retired. Can you imagine how much the prise of housing would go up if there were no new houses being built, or is that what you what?
Why do you care how educated some one is? Does an educated person have more say then a none educated person? Does that make them better that somebody else? That reminds me of something, O ya the way people thought a couple hundred years ago. Anyone can go down to the library and with a few late fees and a lot of determination and get the same education.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of arrogance. You seem to be doing a lot of condemning here.
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Jun 13, 2005 18:29:37 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 13, 2005 18:29:37 GMT -5
Yawn.
Come on, Dave. Give us something new, give us some studies, statistics, and facts to support your statements. Refer to all the information, studies, and links we've posted that refute everything you've said. Answer the questions we've posted in so many different places here, or are you just like all the rest?
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Jun 13, 2005 21:10:39 GMT -5
Post by John Zeger on Jun 13, 2005 21:10:39 GMT -5
Dave, you say that reducing the rate of growth will result in fewer jobs especially in the construction industry. Do you propose then that we just keep building endlessly? Please tell me how that's possible? You and your friends don't like sprawl. Neither do I. Do we therefore put a highrise on every lot in order to support construction workers? And what happens then after the city is full of highrises? Growth based on population is ultimately not sustainable. Can't you see the folly of such an argument? CRCP supports a shift from economic growth that is population driven to growth that is employment driven and for qualitative rather than quantitative growth. This can be achieved by supporting the establishment of more high-tech and knowledge based industry here, sort of like what the Okanagan Partnership is suggesting.
On the subject of growth controls causing higher housing prices, there are presently no growth controls and housing prices have gone up dramatically anyway. Some studies in the U.S. have shown that cities with growth controls don't have housing prices that are significantly higher than nearby cities without those controls. This is especially true of municipalities that require developers to provide a meaningful amount of affordable housing in every residential project. CRCP supports this concept.
You comment that people with a higher education shouldn't have more say than those without one. I agree. That's called democracy. But are you inclined to pay more attention to some kid with a big mouth and nothing to back it up or to someone who has done the research which anyone can do at the library although it helps to have had some training in doing and understanding research? The library is available to everyone. How often do you go there?
Lastly Dave, you have already exceeded your three posts as a guest. If you want to continue to participate in this forum please register.
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Jun 14, 2005 0:08:18 GMT -5
Post by Cathy Jo on Jun 14, 2005 0:08:18 GMT -5
You may have got a bit over excited with your little banning spree, since you've now managed to ban a public IP address, specifically 142.22.16.54, which is that of a public library. There are now many fewer people who are able to access this site. Of course, since many of them would likely disagree with your arguments, you may not wish to allow it. IP addresses are obviously very confusing things, but they are not limited to only one computer, nor is one IP address limited to one user, or one computer to one user, etc. As for my personal information, I'm of the understanding i am under absolutely no obligation to reveal anything of that nature to you in any form, and, since it will obviously create judgment on your part, and am disinclined to. If the goal here is to "just stop them from coming", what's the big concern about people who visit here saying they'd be less likely to visit if these developments were made? Why not make it ugly? Then they won't want to come at all! Or, we could leave the downtown area to be taken over by drug addicts and prostitutes, and everyone will want to leave.
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Jun 14, 2005 0:25:53 GMT -5
Post by John Zeger on Jun 14, 2005 0:25:53 GMT -5
"Why not make it ugly?" -- I've always felt that was the attitude of you "pro-development" types. Everything I said about evidence that shows that increasing the population downtown will do nothing to help Kelowna's overall crime problem has obviously not made any impact on you. You are either very stubborn or none too bright. I also noted that you declined to answer any of my questions. Is that because you have something to hide? I hope you enjoyed that post, Cathy Jo, as that will be your last. Please visit the MoveKelownaForward forum as that is the forum of choice for the "bullsh_t over brains" point of view.
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Jun 14, 2005 0:32:39 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 0:32:39 GMT -5
Cathy:
I'm glad to see that you've finally admitted to making feeble discussions. I wish that the rest of your cohort was that honest. Thanks!
I'm also glad that you appear to be making room for someone who actually knows how to have a discussion.
That's very kind.
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Jun 14, 2005 10:54:57 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 10:54:57 GMT -5
Actually, I think it's clear that people are banned for having nothing to say, and for continuing to have nothing to say -- other than unsubstantiated attacks, with no facts, studies, or data to support those attacks. This is supposed to be a discussion forum.
I suggest that you look up the meaning of those two words, as you clearly don't know what they mean.
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Jun 14, 2005 18:06:46 GMT -5
Post by Michael P on Jun 14, 2005 18:06:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't think that you remember much about Kelowna 10 years ago, Matt, as you were only 7 years old at the time. Thanks for visiting our forum and please return when you have gained some maturity and experience. As the guest rightly observed, you seem to be a case of "bullsh_t over brains." Hey Mr. Zeger I have been In Kelowna for 15 years this July 1st. left for only weekends every couple years. I am now 28 and can still remember things from when I was 5 years old. It used to be a truly strong debate watching the CRCP and MoveKelownaForward Teams battle it out with Wit, Maturity and Lenghy debates and now all I see is you lowering the Muturity levels so much I can't help but laugh when I read your posts. insulting someones age is a sign of maturity or lack there of. I Aggree with MoveKelownaForwards Ideas becasue they make sense to me and because you dont agree you are calling them a "bullsh_t over brains" group. its like me calling you an old geezer. thats not cool. Thank you for letting me post on your forum Sincerely, Michael P 28 years old and not giving you anymore personal information for you to exploit even though you know my public IP address
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Jun 14, 2005 18:21:07 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 18:21:07 GMT -5
Same comment to you, Michael.
Do you have anything to really contribute here, or are you just starved for attention like all the momma's boys who have posted similar things?
Sure, that's not nice, but only if it applies to you. What do you say?
If you want to see what a real contribution is, and what real research is, and what facts are, just look around here.
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Jun 14, 2005 19:43:12 GMT -5
Post by dylan on Jun 14, 2005 19:43:12 GMT -5
Mr. Zeger, Please can we stop all the fighting and only argue about the pros and cons of Kelowna development? Since you have very few followers, you attack everyone who is against you.
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Jun 14, 2005 19:44:57 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 19:44:57 GMT -5
Yes, please. So, Dylan, what do you have to say about it?
I've said lots here, your turn.
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Jun 14, 2005 21:00:24 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 21:00:24 GMT -5
Matt says:
" i should make sure that i am using true information which i have researched into, and so i have."
Really, and where is that 'true information?"
Thank you for your participation and your post, which is clearly a vote of confidence in the value and effectiveness of this forum. The fact that you feel free to post such things is a true indication that this is indeed an open, democratic forum.
Naturally, we must all abide by the rules of good conduct, as anything else would simply be rude and of course should not be tolerated anywhere. Those rules include participating in some real discussion, in the spirit of open-mindness and honesty.
I look forward to some meaningful discussion, when you're ready.
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Jun 14, 2005 21:52:00 GMT -5
Post by Michael P on Jun 14, 2005 21:52:00 GMT -5
Quote from Rick Shea "Do you have anything to really contribute here, or are you just starved for attention like all the momma's boys who have posted similar things? Sure, that's not nice, but only if it applies to you. What do you say? If you want to see what a real contribution is, and what real research is, and what facts are, just look around here." Matt says: " i should make sure that i am using true information which i have researched into, and so i have." Really, and where is that 'true information?" Thank you for your participation and your post, which is clearly a vote of confidence in the value and effectiveness of this forum. The fact that you feel free to post such things is a true indication that this is indeed an open, democratic forum. Naturally, we must all abide by the rules of good conduct, as anything else would simply be rude and of course should not be tolerated anywhere. Those rules include participating in some real discussion, in the spirit of open-mindness and honesty. I look forward to some meaningful discussion, when you're ready. I was merely stating the maturity level that this organization's members operate at and judging by the top quote then the following one perhaps Rick, you should practice what you preach. do I need to say more? want facts? anyone can google search development "facts" but you can't believe everything you read. and this is my 2nd of my 3 free posts and trust me with all the bashing of people's ages and opinions I won't be registering my first born with this site.
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Jun 14, 2005 23:54:19 GMT -5
Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 23:54:19 GMT -5
...so then you have admitted that you are a starved for attention momma's boy. Thanks for being honest.
Thank you for your participation and your post, which is clearly a vote of confidence in the value and effectiveness of this forum. The fact that you feel free to post such things is a true indication that this is indeed an open, democratic forum.
Naturally, we must all abide by the rules of good conduct, as anything else would simply be rude and of course should not be tolerated anywhere. Those rules include participating in some real discussion, in the spirit of open-mindness and honesty.
I look forward to some meaningful discussion, when you're ready.
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