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Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2005 19:06:38 GMT -5
Why do you compare Kelowna with Edmonton? Why not Honolulu in Hawaii or other cities that are built next to the ocean or lakes and are beautiful because of there location, even though they are large cities. No one whats kelowna to turn out like Edmonton. But no one can take the mountains and lake away from us and that is what makes us kelowna, not whether or not we have tall buildings. I go mountain biking, fishing, swimming, hiking, rollerskating, skiing, golfing, enjoy the view from where ever I am and no building big or small stops me or all the other people in kelowna from doing the things that make it fun to live here. I love kelowna and I am proud that everyone wants to live here and that we are growing. I hope we never have to turn anyone away. That would just be greedy.
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Post by John Zeger on Jun 14, 2005 11:33:09 GMT -5
"Why do you compare Kelowna with Edmonton?" -- Because that's the direction that Kelowna is heading. Edmonton has very little natural beauty and with the increasing development in Kelowna particularly highrises our natural beauty is under threat.
"No one an take the mountains and lake away from us." -- All you can say is that no one can physically remove them from the area but they can be altered and their beauty can vanish behind a concrete curtain of highrises. You say you indulge in mountain biking, hiking, skiing, and water sport. That's great, but not everyone is young and active or healthy enough to have the direct experience of nature that you enjoy. For many their only experience is to be able to view the mountains or lake from wherever they live or travel. Do you want to take that away from them?
"I hope we never have to turn anyone away." -- I would prefer that myself, but I think that our priority should be the quality of life of the residents already living here and our existing community. Do you advocate opening the floodgates of growth to outsiders in the name of fairness if it destroys everyone's quality of life here? Because that's what is already happening and it will only get worse. That would be turning a charitable attitude into self-destruction. Is that sensible?
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Post by Dave on Jun 14, 2005 13:19:05 GMT -5
" because that's the direction that kelowna is heading. Edmonton has very little natural beauty and with the increasing development in Kelowna particularly highrises, our natural beauty is under threat."--Kelowna is not like Edmonton and never will be unless by some magic some mountains pop up all around Edmonton and a Lake appears through the middle of it. Unless I see a Highrise being built on a mountain or at least the side of one then I don't see that they are the problem but rather all the houses that are being built. I live on the westside where there are houses being built up all around me on the mountains. Why don't you talk more about this and less about the highrises. I no for a fact that there is not one house in kelowna that has its veiw tataly blocked by four highrises, I say four because it would take four, one on every corner of the house to tataly block the veiw. Peoples veiws are more blocked by the trees in there own yards then by the Buildings downtown.
"All you can say is that no one can physically remove them from the area but they can be altered and their beauty can vanish behind a concrete curtain of highrises. You say you indulge in mountain biking, hiking, skiing, and water sport. That's great, but not everyone is young and active or healthy enough to have the direct experience of nature that you enjoy. For many their only experience is to be able to view the mountains or lake from wherever they live or travel. Do you want to take that away from them?"-- Anyone no matter how old they are can still get out and go for a walk or a drive and still enjoy the mountains from where they live. Highrises will not stop them from doing that. I worked in senour care facilities and if they want to get out they can, and injoy nature. Those buildings downtown look like anything but a concrete wall. They are beautiful buildings and I always see tourists getting there pictures taken in front of them with the mountains still in the background. They are not just a big concrete wall as you refer to them over and over again.
"Do you advocate opening the floodgates of growth to outsiders in the name of fairness if it destroys everyone's quality of life here? Because that's what is already happening and it will only get worse. That would be turning a charitable attitude into self-destruction. Is that sensible?"-- I have lived in Kelowna for 25 years and I have seen the population double already without affecting the quality of life here. If anything it has gotten better and more beautiful.
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Post by Rick Shea on Jun 14, 2005 13:24:04 GMT -5
Well then, Dave, you haven't read my discussion with Matt about that very issue. Matt himself admitted that Kelowna has become much worse recently, and needs to be saved.
I tell you what. We've been very diligent in posting data and so on, so how about you post some data about quality of life over the past 25 years in Kelowna. Make sure that you include data regarding all quality of life issues though, and don't just pick one or two that might support your so far unfounded statements.
We're waiting...
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Post by John Zeger on Jun 14, 2005 13:56:14 GMT -5
And Dave, how about registering for our forum. Its very simple. Just click on "register." We have a new policy on this forum that there will be no permanent "guests." Otherwise this will be your last post. All future posts will be deleted unless you register.
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Post by Rick Shea on Jun 15, 2005 13:22:41 GMT -5
Thank you for your participation and your post, which is clearly a vote of confidence in the value and effectiveness of this forum.
The fact that you feel free to post such things is a true indication that this is indeed an open, democratic forum.
Naturally, we must all abide by the rules of good conduct, as anything else would simply be rude and of course should not be tolerated anywhere. Those rules include participating in some real discussion, in the spirit of open-mindness and honesty.
I look forward to some meaningful discussion, when you're ready.
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